Dealing with the in-laws


“I find dealing with my in-laws (my husband’s parents and sisters) very difficult, because they have to know about everything that’s happening in our lives. They have never really liked me or my family and have gone out of their way to cause trouble between my husband and myself. Trouble is, I feel that my husband never stands up for me…what should I do? If anyone has faced such things please do let me know what I can do… I’m desperate!!” www.desilot.com

This piece is the motivatation behind the creation of this page because the solutions offered did not sound peaceful. They were coming from a place of anger and bitterness. Here we believe bitterness begets bitterness. To claim happiness and joy one has to sow seeds of peace.

FACTS

  1. This is a clear case of boundary invasion. Your conjugal kin do not have a concept of boundaries and privacy of a married couple. For them participating in your life is may be in their understanding a gesture of love.
  2. It is your spouse’s duty to set boundaries with them but he is afraid of offending them. If he tries to set the boundaries his family is likely to accuse him excluding them from his life and disloyalty.
  3. If your in-laws reject you or dislike you they are likely to be disrespectful towards your family too.
  4. Their dislike has got nothing to do with you; no matter who he was with they would find some fault in that person.
  5. If they are waging verbal and emotional attacks at you ideally it is his responsibility to protect you from the attacks of his family because he has a history with them, he knows their whims, fancies and triggers.  But the fact is he does not know how to stand for you because if he does he’ll not only be accused of disloyalty but a great drama will follow. He is afraid of facing this drama. For him his best option is to let you struggle with it. And also it is easier to blame you than stand up and confront his parents and siblings.
  6. It is easy for him to stay out of it by saying “it is between you women.” There are two kinds of dramas:

          a)      Dramas that happen in his presence, his mother and sisters may complain about you to him. Like you said something  nasty to them in his absence.

b)      Dramas that happen in his absence, his mother and sister will make snide remarks about you in his absence and act lovingly towards you in his presence or they’ll do nothing all day and when he is around they’ll act as if they have been working all day.

 WHAT YOU CAN DO

 

  • Focus your energy on improving your relationship with your spouse. Tell him you want to know what makes his family unhappy with you. Assert you do not want him to do the talking. You would like to speak to them directly in his presence. Never do this in his absence because it creates many opportunities for back biting and manipulations.  

 

  • Never have all his family members for such a conversation at the same place and same time. Deal with each member one at a time. If you have them as a collective they’ll fortify against you and your spouse inspite of his best intentions will not be able to help you, rather will turn against you.            

 

  •  He’ll be reluctant to arrange such a meeting because he is equally afraid of his family and ensuing drama. Be prepared such a meeting can turn into drama and shouting match because you are asking the dominant party to change the terms of the game and give up some of their territorial control.

 

  • Go with a nonjudgmental attitude and open mindedness. Begin with asking if you have offended them in any way. Basically, you’re asking what their problem is, in a gentle way. When you talk to them ask for three reasons they are not comfortable with you. Two reasons will be excuses and the third will be closer to the truth.

 

  •  Open mindedness mentioned in the previous point means do not expect them to change. People do not change unless they want to change. Do not expect one talk session will make them like you. Keep your expectations realistic. If they did not like you in the beginning they’ll not like you now. Aim this session towards small changes like you’ll call them once a week or you will not pick up the phone after 9pm.

 

  • Be polite, but don’t try to win your in-laws by pleasing them or buying them gifts. Do not get sucked into that traditional wisdom “you can win over people by love and service (seva).”

      People do not change because you want them to change. They change because they decide to change. Once you start trying to please their demands will becom unending and abusive. You’ll finish one task according to their fancies they’ll be ready with another. It will never be enough. Set limits for yourself. Such as, you will cook but will not stay up to serve each member when they come home. You will go to your room at Xpm. etc.

  •  Don’t ask your partner to choose between you and his family this will make him more resentful towards you. Rather tell him you deserve respect and you do not want to be somewhere you are not respected. It is your right to protect yourself from emotional attacks. Tell him “When you do not support me/ listen to me I feel as if I do not matter. It hurts my feelings/It makes me angry.” Focus on your feelings. Tell your partner as he respects his parents and family so you do. It hurts your feelings when his family insults your parents/family.

 

  • Are you happy in this relationship? Decide can you live with this kind of resentment for rest of your life? If you are seriously upset or bothered by your-in-laws’ interference and accusations, and if it’s causing conflict in your relationship with your spouse, then you need to decide what you can do about it. Seek professional help.

Suggest your partner to seek couple’s counseling. If he does not want to come with you it is a choice he’ll make. You should go on your own. Before you can regain control over your life you have to heal yourself.

  • Remember that you can’t change anyone but yourself. You have already changed you go around you life hurt and wounded, angry and resentful. Ask your self is this how you want to live rest of your life? If no, then don’t ask or expect your spouse and his parents to think differently.

Once you have expressed your feelings about how you are being treated/mistreated and after you have asked what you did to cause his family to treat you this way, you need to let it go. Let them be who they are.

If they are not ready to accept you for who you are for your own peace accept them for who they are even if they are bitter sad people.

55 Responses to “Dealing with the in-laws”

  1. Favor April 21, 2012 at p04 #

    Dis is related to my case, all my sister_inlaw gang up against me my husband cant talk to them they stay in their father’s house their father is late infact am tired tell me wat to do

    @Favor,
    Welcome to GGTS, a safe space.
    In the following link all the supporting information is give please read it carefully along with comments in the respective posts.

    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/dealing-with-in-laws/#comment-3876
    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/desi-sisters-nemesis-of-brothers/

    If your safety is in question or you need one on one skill building coaching then contact DG on her gmail id.

    Please share this message of hope with anyone who may benefit.
    Peace,
    Desi Girl

  2. Sonia April 9, 2012 at p04 #

    Hi DesiGirl, firstly its great to see such an awesome blog for so many women who need empowering. I have been reading and getting alot of gyan from youand truly its helping the non manipulative me learn how to be smart. But i still need some more personalised one from you if you dont mind.

    I am in a situation where my in laws dont like me. They are sweet on the face and negative at the back and very very difficult to deal with. I come from a metro and they from a small town. So there is difference of thoughts, lifestyle, language etc etc. they didnt like from the word go and dont trust me at all no matter how hard i have tried. My husband is 50 – 50 by my side. We both are non manipulative style and live away from the family who completly ignore our existence. the worse part is my younger bro in law just had a love marriage and my in laws are now totally mesmerised by the new bride. My in laws are extremely unfair to me and ignore me and illtreat me by passing weird remarks, making me and my family feel useless and always misjudguing me. I have tried to seek help from my hubby but as much as he wants he is not able to change their opinion about me. To make matters worse they are being extra partial to their younger son, and treating his wife like a queen and me like a maid. HELP PLs. I am a independent confident loving and caring person who is being disrespected.
    Desi girl, i am looking for some guidance: a) Do i be a part of this RAT RACE between 2 bahu’s trying to please her in laws.. b) Leave my in laws to the mercy of the 2nd bahu which is my younger bro in laws wife c) Fight it hard (i have tried talking several times to my inlaws which has failed as they blame my thinking and just defend themselves) d) You tell me !!

    i am far away abroad away from my inlaws but still havent been spared by a controlling in laws hold. my life is being judged every min and i feel choked. SOS PLS HELP. Need some real guidance.. Girl Power pls guide how to deal with this wrath

    @Sonia,
    Welcome to GGTS, a safe space.
    DG is glad she could help and thanks for the compliment.
    If it is any consolation you are not the first to go through this and you won’t be the last. So everything you said in your comment is addressed on this blog in different posts and comments section of those posts. It would have helped you if you had read the comments made on this page because everything you said is actually addressed there.

    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/once-upon-a-time-there-lived-a-happy-galhg/
    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/401/
    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/633/
    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/is-my-family-dysfunctional/
    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/desi-in-laws-wedging-a-psychological-warfare-against-bahus/
    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/home-and-happiness/
    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/assertiveness-learn-to-say-no/

    DG now addresses personal queries on need basis and mostly in life and death safety situations due to her personal reasons. If your safety is in question or you need one on one coaching then please get in touch with her on gmail.

    Please share this message of hope with anyone who may benefit.
    Peace,
    Desi Girl

  3. Ely April 6, 2012 at p04 #

    Never marry an Indian man or a British Indian man, they end up being all the same. White men are more respectful.

    @Ely,
    Welcome to GGTS, a safe space.

    Wao that is a news to DG that white men are more respectful, to whom? Women, sexual minorities, non Caucasian ethnicities… Oh did we forget the ‘white man’s burden?” Thanks to women’s movement that in the west white men parted with bit of their white privilege or else they are just men like all others around the world refusing to treat women as humans.

    Please share this message of hope with anyone who may benefit.

    Peace,
    Desi Girl

    • Yogini April 10, 2012 at p04 #

      I think what Ely means is that gender roles are more fluid with Western men or Westernized men, whatever the color of skin. That white men, by virtue of where most of them are born (the post-feminist western countries) would believe in and practice gender equality more than non-white men of pre-feminist or just now becoming feminist eastern countries is an assumption based on history and culture. I’d say its in the correct ball park.

      Not that there is something inherently dysfunctional in non-western men, they can also be trained in gender equality, but their cultures don’t support or reinforce that in a big way at this current point.

      @Yogini,

      That is sweet attempt to qualify another person’s opinion. DG has lived in both the continents and is aware how post-feminist is the west, thanks to conservative governments women are being pushed back into middle ages. Yes, women are considered humans but implications of their gender are excused though greater number of offenses are committed against women and greater number of women are primary caregivers.
      Peace,
      Desi Girl

  4. Tumhare Radha April 3, 2012 at p04 #

    The best solution is to: avoid seeing them at any cost. Don’t share any secrets with them, don’t let them stay at your house( they might steal your gold)

    @Tumhare Radha,

    Welcome to GGTS, a safe space.
    Now that is little too extreme it is though it has happened to DG too. But the fact remains if there is no trust what is even the use of continuing the relationship be it in-laws or spouse.

    About the secrets, if you can’t guard your own secret why do you think another person will or should?

    If there is so much dislike where you don’t even want to see them (DG has been there and done that) the whole marriage seems fake as your partner is half absent how long are we suppose to take it. DG just gave up. She could not do with 50%.

    Please share this message of hope with anyone who may benefit.
    Peace,
    Desi Girl

  5. deja January 2, 2012 at p01 #

    Hi Dg,
    I love the advice, but I have a question what do you do if you have done all this and they still don’t like you and you believe they talk bad about you. Do you allow your children to be around them? I have a friend who’s in laws bad mouthed her around her child and it caused him to be confused and have mixed emotions about her. Do I chance this? And if no how do I deal with the hubby and this issue?

    @deja,

    Welcome to GGTS, a safe space.
    DG gives no advice she just shares what she experiences and observes. :)

    … if you have done all this and they still don’t like you and you believe they talk bad about you…

    Is it true what they are saying about you. Definitely NO then does it matter? Can you sue them? Of course not because there is no clause for defamation here though you can make one.

    Go with a nonjudgmental attitude and open mindedness. Begin with asking if you have offended them in any way. Basically, you’re asking what their problem is, in a gentle way. When you talk to them ask for three reasons they are not comfortable with you. Two reasons will be excuses and the third will be closer to the truth.

    …Do you allow your children to be around them?…
    NO, grandparenting is a privilege not a right and people have to earn it. It is your duty to protect your child from all this toxicity and instill in them a sense of right and wrong. Children are impressionable they need not live in confusion about their parents. Please reassure them you love them and are their for them no matter what grandparents say. Don’t badmouth them in front of your kids. Just tell them to STOP. Tell your partner this is not acceptable and you do not want children exposed to this toxicity, if his parents have a problem with you then they tell “me” not our kids.

    Use this as a guide.

    It is not that you did not know you’ll not have kids in the marriage all you did not know was how you’ll raise them as partners. Like was it was not that DG did not know abuse was non negotiable in her marriage but she did not know how to make it stop or what to do. We don’t think through before making life time commitment and then we suffer.
    Please be assured no matter what you do your in-laws will not like you because they have made a choice of not liking you no matter what. So why waste time instead focus on your truth that you are a kind nurturing happy person. Are you? If yes, good if no, then work on it.

    Please share this message of hope with anyone who may benefit.
    Peace,
    Desi Girl

  6. Grateful December 20, 2011 at p12 #

    Hi DG,

    Thank you for pointing out the articles to me. And yes I am pondering on what you mentioned “I left my parents so now it is your duty to take my nonsense” etc… I hope things go well in future and we are happy as we were before the whole marriage. When i sit back and think i realize that there were so many thing that I could have done smartly and differently.

    I have read most of your articles and feel sad but agree to most women competition at home , fearful and spineless husband , emotional emptiness, discrimination on wealth spend and many more. The truth is we all know it but why are we so scared to accept it , talk about it and change it? When i tried to speak and point out the bad behavior I was told that i am a ill mannered person. any way.. i want to move on….

    I would also like to add, its not only the man , inlaws etc but us as women n wife become somehow a part of this dirty game and play it. I wouldn’t say that I did not do any mistake but i am ready to accept and own up and change but if they think they r going to put every thing on me then I am sorry i m not taking it anymore…

    Well i have understood a few things:

    Be yourself and dont bother if people are pulling you down
    Be Assertive – very important
    Learn to say no Gracefully
    Don’t overdo anything at your own expense
    Do not ask for justification as he will not understand
    Do not limit your life

    Wish me luck and i hope i keep getting guidance from the universe as it guided me to u.

    Looking forward to read more and let me know if you need me to help for this cause.

    Much Love
    Grateful

    @Grateful,
    So nice to hear back from you. You can help by voicing your struggle and journey to claim your life this helps break isolation. Abuse thrives in isolation and GGTS is committed to break the silence and isolation. If you wish you can post your narrative on GGTS.

    Desi great tradition and culture does not leave much scope for women to do anything else than dance the tit for tat dance. Some get it early and quit and others spend life time dancing it. This system does not have room for negotiation as there is firm pecking order, new bahu is the lowest, she cannot say no if she says NO or reasons it is called “talking back” a great failure of her parents to teach her manners… on and on…

    Accepting something is wrong is the first step to rectifying it.
    Taking responsibility for your actions and emotions is the grown up thing to do.

    NEVER INVEST IN A RELATIONSHIP MORE THAN YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE.

    All the best,
    Peace,
    DG

  7. Grateful December 13, 2011 at p12 #

    HI DG,

    I am so glad to read your post, but i only wish i had read it a year back. I have gone through most of it. Did all pleasing , stretching my self to no extent, reasoning wid my husband , complaining, crying… things went so ugly that we separated from his family in the most ugly way. Then I believe the abusive streak got into me and he left me to go back to his parents. I couldn’t handle all that but my close ones kept me rooted. I guess the 2 month long isolation helped and today he has proposed that we stay separately and we are now finally hunting apartments , discussing finances and I have begun to learn the trick of ignoring what bothers me.

    It was a long, difficult and dream shattering journey. But I think I am ready to start again.

    Looking fwd to read your blog.

    Grateful.

    @Grateful,

    Welcome to GGTS, a safe space.
    DG is glad that after all that bitterness and drama it is finally working out for you. But she cautions to tread slowly and carefully. Yes, two months apart gave both of you time to think about the relationship coz’ when you are together thinking about the relationship is the last thing on your mind.

    Here are few links that will help you chart a map how to proceed in this second inning.

    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/ask-before-marrying/

    Often times, men decide to make the marriage work and move out of their parents’ homes and then realize it is their bargaining chip in their marriage. “I left my parents for you so now you do XYZ for me.” “I left my parents so now it is your duty to take my nonsense” etc. It is highly recommended you seek professional help. If that is not possible then follow following links and learn new relationship skills.

    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/couples-counseling-faq/
    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/emotional-abuse/
    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/cycle-of-violence/

    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/feeling-and-expressing-your-emotions/
    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/assertiveness-learn-to-say-no/
    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/lets-talk-communication-deadlock/

    The whole ugliness ensues from lack of boundaries and defused identities and personalities in desi families where sons are raised as belonging/draft animal. Here are few links that will help you understand why in-laws did what they did, understanding the cause will help you remedy the effect.

    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/desi-parenting-raising-devoted-sons/
    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/desi-in-laws-wedging-a-psychological-warfare-against-bahus/
    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/401/
    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/desi-sex-ratio-and-marriage-nirmala-1925-to-2011/

    Wishing you good luck. Feel at home at GGTS, let us know how it is going with you.
    Please share this message of hope with anyone who may benefit.

    Peace,
    Desi Girl

  8. Kandy November 16, 2011 at p11 #

    living with my in laws and 3 sister in laws HELP, husband doesnt see what they are really like!

    @Kandy,

    Welcome to GGTS, a safe space.
    How do want DG to help you please state clearly. What kind of help are you looking for.
    Please make a list of what you want changed in your situation, today, this week and this month. This will help DG in finding resources and services for you.
    Browse GGTS to see how other women resolved similar problems.

    If you want to write in private email DG at girlsguidetosurvival@gmail.com

    Please feel supported.
    Peace,
    Desi Girl

  9. Sheron November 16, 2011 at p11 #

    I am an Indian Canadian female from Vancouver BC Canada. I’m 38 my husband 42, we’ve been married 7 years have 2 boys ages 5 and 3. My husband has basically cut me off emotionally for the past 6 years. He stopped sleeping in bed with me when I was 6 months pregnant with our first child. We’ve had ongoing issues for many years that I tried talking to him about and go no where. He refuses to be initimate with me completely we haven’t made love in 8 months but the longest has been well over a year. Today I found out that he’s turned off of me because I am not close to his sister. She was mainly the mother figure as she practically raised him while they’re mother worked as a cook in a hotel in Fiji. This was shocking for me to take that he would reject me for her. I went through so much pain to give him 2 beautiful children and that doesn’t matter. His sister is just trying to bully me. I’m considering giving in to her for the sake of getting my husband back and saving my marriage.

    Sheron,

    Welcome to GGTS, a safe space.
    DG apologies for delay in responding, your comment was burried under pile of spams and other pending comments. Sorry for what you are going through. Just wondering:
    If first child did not change spousal relationship dynamics did you think the second will make it better.
    Have you thought, if he has normal testestrone levels then where is he getting sex from? If he isn’t getting it with you then it is coming from else where. Please protect your self. Please insist on using protection and get yourself tested.

    Sexlessness does not continue for six years because wife and sister don’t get along. There is something else is going on here.

    Have you thought:
    Keeping the man and keeping a comatose marriage alive do to your children? Your children will have a unhappy mother who will be struggling and resenting every minute. You will give in now and the SIL bully will find something else to be mad at. So this will continue until one of you die…

    PEACE AT ANY COST IS NO PEACE AT ALL.

    If DG were you she would have got her ducks in row and moved on for a good and healthy upbringing of her children.

    Please seek professional help. There is lot available in Vancouver. If you need to speak to DG or need help with resources please feelfree to write to her in private at girlsguidetosurvival@gmail.com

    Stay strong and start valuing your self.
    Sending you love and kind thoughts. Look forward to hearing from you.
    Peace,

    Desi Girl

  10. ABD August 14, 2011 at p08 #

    Seriously…what is it with Indian in-laws??? Why do they have to be so difficult. I was born and raised in the U.S., both of my other sisters married non-Indians and I alway knew that I wanted to marry Indian because I do think it has a great impact on how much of the culture you can preserve. I have known my husband for 7 years and one of the main reasons I married him was because I felt like we had the same philosophies in life and more importantly had a good balance between eastern and western culture. He wasn’t the type of guy that just expected I be the wife that does and acts as she is told and that he was actually an independent person outside of his family. And of course we got along. have the same interests…all the other things that matter when you find your spouse.

    However, his family has more drama than anyone needs to have in one life time and as all family dramas go it is over the most stupid, asinine issues you could even imagine. You look at someone the wrong way and all of a sudden you have disrespected them and a war breaks out. My family on the other hand couldn’t be more laid back and carefree, which makes it that much harder for me to accept and understand the way his family behaves.

    So, here is my big problem. My husband’s mother expects us to draw family loyalties based on who she is getting along with at the moment. So if she has argument with one of her brothers, then we are expected to not speak to his kids (even though the kid (cousins)) had nothing to do with anything, nor have any problems with one another. I have a big problem with this because now the other generation’s problems are causing issues among the kids and I don’t agree with it. My husband and I get into fights about this because he wants to appease his mom for the sake of not disrespecting her and will often side with her on these issues. and I can’t understand why he can’t just explain to his mom that at the age of 34 he can take care of managing his own family relationships. It makes my blood boil just thinking about how easily he listens to her when it comes to this type of family stuff. My dilemma is I don’t know how much of a stand I need to take and when i just need to back off and say fine do what you want….which is hard because at the end it still impacts me since I have to still see and talk to these people. It is his family and my goal is preserve relationships but if he doesn’t care, then why should I get so stressed out over it?? Part of it too, is just my philosophy and me not wanting to have to make sacrifices on my own personal philosophies.

    Sorry….we just had a big blowout and I came across this blog and just started venting. Indian in-laws infuriate me. They get involved when they shouldn’t, they have opinions on things that don’t even make sense, and why they can’t understand that when they behave this way they only drive people away I will never understand. i am a very loving person. and more importantly drama-free person and want nothing more than to have a great relationship with my MIL, but stuff like this makes it so hard.

    @ABD,

    Welcome to GGTS, a safe sapce.
    If it is any consolation you are not alone in this mad mad desi drama land and you won’t be the last person to face it either. Codependent and abusive people have fluid loyalties and they try to control other people through them for that they can use call kinds of tools at their disposal, be it withdrawal of affection, silence treatment, recruiting allies, self injury etc. to name a few.

    Good part of the story is it is not your side of the family. It is your spouse’s parent and his side of the family so it is more of his problem and he should face the music of being raised spineless. Bad part of the story is it is impacting your spousal relationship and you are loosing respect for your partner. Now let us check your choices- do as MIL wants, dance to her tunes or sit on the sidelines and not dance at all. You need to draw personal boundaries based on what is acceptable to you, your integrity and what is not.

    If DG were in the same situation she would not participate in this abusive tango and rather declare her position to all those involved. “You have problem with “X” for what ever reason it is for you to deal with it, I did not create it I do not want to be part of it, so please do not involve me. I was raised to be respectful to all be it people I know or strangers.” Second part of this dialogue would be:
    “I have no problems with you, I do not know what is going with you and MIL that is for you guys to sort it but I would like to inform you I have nothing against you.”

    DG has used this dialogue in actual when she was pushed to a corner by her God forsaken now ex. That way people know where you stand and they cannot push you around.

    About your spouse he’s been dancing this tango with mommy dear all his life so it is normal for him and a refusal to dance is an anomaly for him. If he wants to dance to mommy’s tunes it is a choice you have to make whether you’ll agree or stay away from that gathering or step up and do the right thing. DG tried to avoid this tango but she faced emotional abuse. It became exhausting to keep changing loyalties out of blue when she took a stand it became physically violent because DG would not give in anymore.

    DG is not scaring you but letting you know how these things progress, if the spineless squid cannot please mommy dear it gets cranky and violent coz’ mommy yanks uncut umblical chord.

    MIL is a 5yr old in a senior citizen body who goes home with her toys when someone calls out her bluff or ends the game or changes teams.

    If nothing works go to couple’s counseling to deal with his mommy issues that would be DG’s suggestion.
    Read around this blog and check comments see what works for you.

    Your Rights in A Relationship
    To be able to express your views without the fear of negative repercussions even if they are different than others. You have right to your thoughts.

    You can express your differences without fear. You can decide I will not do ______, I will wear______, I will meet ______ because you feel it is right.

    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/your-rights-in-a-relationship/

    Please share this message of hope with anyone who may benefit.
    Peace,
    Desi Girl

  11. Deepa March 29, 2011 at p03 #

    Hi DG,
    I sent in a comment a while ago, thankfully, I am blessed with a great MIL, my sister is not. This is her story:
    She lives with her in-laws under the same roof, her MIL actually cannot accept the fact that my sister gets to sleep with her son and not her (!!), she literally asked my sister not to close the door of their bedroom, can you believe that?? her husband promptly wets his pants if he sees a glare from his mom. He is a spineless, na marad ass hole.
    One night, my parents and uncles and aunties barged into their home and asked my sister to pack her bags and leave, my sis refused meekly and chose to stay with them. Now, we have all accepted that her life will be like this. It is up to her to take a stand and she is soo afraid of the goddamn society that she lives in that she prefers to stay with those monsters. Sorry for hogging your comment space, Can I ask her to reach out to you? Please let me know.

    Take care
    Deepa

    @Deepa,
    Welcome back. Yes, DG remembers you, you are the same young woman who felt lucky about being treated respectfully by her MIL.

    Yes, of course you can refer your sister for matter of fact anyone who may need help.

    You said: …she literally asked my sister not to close the door of their bedroom, can you believe that??
    Did you read Mehak’s comment on this post :) She wrote:

    …”Can you imagine… my father in law told me that marriage is not about having sex.. How could he be so cheap! And when I told my husband about it, he said nothing!!!!! He just started smiling… how cheap ..again… what do I do??”

    Even if a new couple is not getting along sex a fills in the emotional void. It is a very common tactic to upset the fragile marital bond by making sexual remarks to the woman, those upset her because our modesty taboos proscribe her from talking back and challenging them.

    Yes, sons are like proxy husbands with no sexual access. No wonder how many hit the search engine term desi mother son sex gets :)
    “…Roger says he is unable to lead a regular life, for fear of the “emotional drama” that always follows. His mother feels threatened if he divides his attention. “I feel like her husband and not her son,” he says.” http://www.telegraphindia.com/1090329/jsp/7days/story_10740079.jsp

    There are two very important points that your folks missed out in their enthusiasm to rescue your sister.

    1) Did you people ask her what did she want? Had you asked her she would have said, All she wanted was a peacefullife with her spouse and no interference from MIL. She do not want to leave her marriage. Even if she wants to then it has to be her decision not a decision imposed by you guys.
    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/how-to-help-an-abused-2/

    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/how-to-talk-to-an-abused-daughter/

    Women are raised with a goal of getting married and when the marriage is not a good one life long dreams are shattered. There is so much more involved in marriage primarily sex, in our desi culture it is not free available to women outside the marriage. http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/desi-in-laws-wedging-a-psychological-warfare-against-bahus/

    2) Did you make any efforts to talk to her spouse and his mother? Did you guys negotiate what oughts to happen, couple’s counseling and shuting door on MIL at sleeptimes?

    Even if she chose to stay back in that chaos it is our job to assure her we don’t judge her and are their to support her. Please remember a woman makes 8 to 9 attempts before she can leave her abuser or an abusive situation.

    You said…He is a… na marad ass hole.
    That again is a stereotype, be is mard enough to listen to his mother. There problem here lies in the concepts of masculinity and femininity. DG strongly disapprove of negative connotations :) How about calling him spineless squid with uncut umblical chord.

    Hope this gives you some perspective on about what is going on. Please do ask your sister to get in touch with DG.
    Peace,
    Desi Girl

    • Deepa March 29, 2011 at p03 #

      Thanks for your thoughtful reply DG. Yes, we spoke to their in-laws, her husband in a peaceful manner. Nothing worked. Yes, my sis wants a peaceful life without her MIL. I actually even suggested her to start poisoning her MIL’s food with tiny bits of arsenic so that she would die a slow death. I am sorry, I am really mad at my sister’s situation. Her husband “loves” her I believe, but cannot say anything to his mom when she treats my sis as crap. Again, sorry for taking up your comment space, I will ask her to get in touch with you soon.

      Thanks for really taking the time to reply.
      Deepa

      Oh my, Deepa tell me you didn’t say that to your sister. It is abetment to murder. DG understands your desparation to help your sister but there are better ways to do that.
      This young man needs counseling because he does not know how to stand up to his mother who is a trained drama queen. If nothing else, DG suggests you give the couple Susan Forward’s Books:
      Emotional Blackmail,
      Toxic Parents,
      Toxic In-laws

      Get your sister to a counselor ASAP because her indifferent spouse and constantly berating MIL are chipping away her self confidence and self esteem and she is resigning to her fate.
      Till you get her to the counselor make prints of posts from GGTS and share then with her. She needs all the support and compassion.
      DG will look forward to hearing from your sister.
      Peace,
      Desi Girl

  12. Guddoo March 23, 2011 at p03 #

    HI everyone,
    I really feel sad being a part of the society which is male dominant but none of the males really want to accept that. My situation is similar but little different but equally painful to DILs who are suffering silently.
    Sometime before our marriage my MIL passed away and I think now no one is there to guide the family. Initially I thought everyone is heart broken with the incident and they are not yet ready to accept me. Its almost 2 years now and no one really likes me. They hardly care about me but keep telling my husband, ur wife shud do this and not that, her family shud do this and blaw blaw…. and keep poking my husband that “I” am not interested in keeping relation with them. I accept I do not call them very frequently but I do call them, send emails, ecards which they never revert on. Every festival if any of his family member is here it just ends up in a dramatic painful scene where I get all the blame even after trying hard to make them happy and satisfied.
    Earlier everyone used to complain I do not cook properly and now recently her sister was at our place for a festival I tried to cook different dishes,honestly to please her because she is the one who is real kakayee (sorry to say that) in our family and will tell everyone in the family. she talks all negative about everyones back. I hv noticed these all brothers (including my husband) and siters talk negatives about each other in the absence of that person just like my FIL, this habit I think I can never change. what shud I do to make them stop disturbing our married life which is otherwise Happy normally?
    I was a working girl in my country and now when I am here I am at his disposal :( till I become independent again and start supporting him. This is also a big issue in our relationship as all of them studied abroad and are doing fine and I have done double masters in India (MSc and MBA) and doing another MBA in US now for which my husband is paying and keeps making me realize that he is doing a big favor on me….. I feel depressed sometime. The worst part is I never talk about our tensions with anyone in his or my family but he had been complaining to all his family members in my absence which I over heard 100s of times and when he realised that I heard the conversation he lies openly and in recent past he had called my family twice to complain about me. when my parents told me this I feel completely lost bcoz I don’t want to give them any kind of tension. never ever :(

    @Guddoo,
    Welcome to GGTS, a safe space.
    DG is glad you posted your comment in this particular post. Please read all the comments and you’ll realize you are not alone going through this. Most of the comment writers on this post are based abroad and they are experiencing same remote controlling from in-laws 11,000 miles away.

    You said: …this habit I think I can never change…
    Sorry to inform you yes, you can never change this habit of theirs because it is their habit and they are making a conscious choice to do that.
    You are the only person you can change and control.

    Be happy you have one less negative person to deal with coz’birds of feather flock together. :)

    The biggest positive in your situation is you are in the school and not isolated like many women.
    In your school there is definitely a health center and student services department. Please contact them and seek professional counselling services there. Usually these services are included in your tution or they are very nominal.
    Learn some assertiveness skills

    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/assertiveness-learn-to-say-no/

    and more about Feeling and Expressing Your Emotions

    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/feeling-and-expressing-your-emotions/

    Read around GGTS and see what other readers did and how they nevigated this mess. Along with your studies start contemplating on what your short term and long term goals are. How do you plan to live your life? Fighting all this negativity and bringing children into it or you have another vision for your life. Either way you have to have a plan for your life. Identity your relationship needs and then make a plan how you are going to get those needs met. You are a business student so you know the SMART goals. Please use that in your everyday life too.

    People do not change because you want them to change. They change because they WANT to change.

    This serenity prayer helps DG. Try it may be it will work for you too.

    God grant me the serenity
    to accept the things I cannot change;
    courage to change the things I can;
    and wisdom to know the difference.

    Do keep us posted and come back to share and feel supported.
    Peace,
    Desi Girl

    • Guddoo March 24, 2011 at p03 #

      This is so comforting, Thankyou :)
      I just don’t want his family to interfere in our matter which he always prefers and he knows that I don’t lie and also that his family members lie alot, even I have caught them many times but never ever mentioned it to anyone. Now he wants to involve my family also but I don’t want to give any kind of tension to them for whihc my husband said, “why only my family should be in tension, why not yours”? I told him you wanted to involve them but I dont, I want everything to start and finish between us without any word going out. Its really hard to convince proudy, arrogant and egoistic males.

      I will try to make all possible changes which I have been doing continuously since last 2 years. Thankyou for your advises.

      This forum rocks. God Bless desi bahus.

      One additional thought, With modernization we all have chnaged a lot but the ultimate Indian mentality is stil dominating and it has brought so many desis living abroad in such a messy situation bcoz we are neither pure Indians, nor Americans and don’t know where r we heading to.

      @Guddoo,
      Thank you for the compliment. DG is glad she could help.
      …”why only my family should be in tension, why not yours”?…

      That is exactly what God forsaken now ex told DG. Do you really think this is coming from a grown up man? Does it show a person saying this is in anyway ready for relationship or marriage? It is not only juvenile behavior but also a technique of recruiting allies used by emotional blackmailers and abusers.
      DG recommends you read Susan Forward’s book, Emotional Blackmail it will help you understand what is happening in your relationship and how you can manage it.

      Always remember, he is one of them he grew up with his siblings and his parents raised him; he knows them inside out and what they are capable of. You need not convince him about their lies and deciet. Focus on your relationship with him. Insist on seeking Couple’s Counseling. If he refuses to go then go by yourself for your health.

      …I will try to make all possible changes which I have been doing continuously since last 2 years…

      You have to know the difference what you can change and what you cannot. BUYING PEACE AT ANY COST IS NO PEACE AT ALL.
      http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/for-khamoshi-2/
      http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/home-and-happiness/

      First step to work on a relationship is to have an open communication. As DG has been there and done that she can tell you the minute you start the talk all defenses pull up and it either becomes shouting match of accusation followed by breaking things and so on. Use the following tool to communicate:
      http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/lets-talk-communication-deadlock/

      Yes, we selectively appropriated modernity. Modernity is not about things and wearing western cloths, songs and speaking English etc as assumed in poplular culture. Modernity is about being able to make an informed and independent choice. Yes, women have challenged the historic concepts of masculinity and femininity. Women adapted and men are stil struggling to let go of their privilege. Yes, many desis abroad are pretty miserable :) in their own sweet ways :) .

      Keep coming back and keep us posted.
      Good Luck,

      Peace,
      Desi Girl

      • broken_no_more March 24, 2011 at p03 #

        Hi DG,

        My heart breaks every time, I see the same stories being repeated time and time again. I think our Indian culture is very narcissistic which benefits only men. It is made by men for the gratification of men. Why else is being born as a girl considered a burden to her parents, why else are little girls killed before they even have a chance to be born in India? Indian parents think that if they have a son, they have won a lottery, so they have to make the most of it (my ex in laws are a perfect living example) – by making the poor bloke so messed up in the head that all he can respond to are their commands, a sad little robot. These poor and sad men know only to show their arrogance only towards their life partner and her family.

        I recently came across the laws of the Manusmriti, the foundation of Indian soceity for ages. It definitely explains a lot of narcissitic behaviour of men in Indian soceity and mothers with sons and sisters with brothers. I think the movie Lajja best describes the state of the Indian women.

        I hope we the women writing in these blogs, do not turn into our mothers in law when it is our turn to get our sons married. Let go and let live.

        Something I had heard on a religious family radio program recently – said Parents are stewards of their children in this world, Parents DO NOT own their children, because God created all his children as individuals, with free will. So no one, not even a parent has the right to take the God given free will of their child away and control their life using emotional blackmail like “we raised you and sacrificed our life for you so you are indebted to us for life”. It is every parent’s god given duty to nurture and love their child and do what it takes to raise them well, but never use that as a way to control their child.

        Likewise, we need to take care of our parents. But our Indian soceity does nothing to care for seniors, like the benefits that seniors have in the US, a much more dignified life I think. So it is no wonder, parents with sons are very insecure for their old age. And insecurity is one of the reasons that leads to control.

        I got my divorce DG. It did not take him long to go find anothe after he filed for divorce to find someone on match.com. And now after the divorce he tells me, he never loved her. He wished he had appreciated me when he had me. But in the same breath, he will not admit that what he did, by sleeping around was wrong. There are always excuses. I asked him, why did I not sleep with the first man I saw. His answer to me another excuse, is because he is a man.

        I for one am done with those excuses. He does not define my self worth. Mt self worth is defined by what I am in God’s eyes. Went for mass the other day and heard the priest preach .. Let Go and Let God.. that helps.

        I wish all the desi bahus out there a lot of love and strength to endure and value themselves, because God did not create you to be abused.

        @broken_no_more,

        CONGRATULATIONS! on the start of new chapter in your life.
        Was thinking about you today after I posted the new post. So nice you showed up.

        What ever you mentioned about free will and parents is the discussion DG has with her parents regularly. She is blessed they too believe in the same after everything we had been through. Parents have to realize they cannot live their children’s life for them.

        Past behavior is the predictor of future behavior. He married you and then said he did not love you and now he is doing it all over again. Aren’t you feeling blessed you are out of it… :)

        Yes, dear our happiness is our business. To live one really has to let go… and DG has to work on it every day it is not a one time thing :)

        Hey join us on gmail then you can be part of the group on gbuzz.
        Three cheers to you.
        Keep us posted :)
        Peace,
        Desi Girl

      • broken_no_more March 26, 2011 at p03 #

        Hi DG,

        Yes I would love to be a part of the gmail group. Please add me.
        It is hard to let go and let god. I worked for 4 days, trying to get back to it.

        It should be easy to let go of a man who has been adulterous, still has his parents in his head and does not think that wanting to abort his own child was wrong, that he was being God deciding that.

        But this love thing is very complicated, try to tell myself I deserve better. One of those low days :(

        Hope you feel better. Remember this too shall pass.
        Even after actual divorce the traces of past intimacy linger on because the person was in your aura for a long time and very intimately. It takes time and effort to free oneself from those residual emotional shackels. Check this out if it makes any sense at this time.
        http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/is-it-love-or-addiction/

        Work on it and it will get better. It is like, the more you put in the more you’ll get out of it and quicker it will heal.

        For gbuzz you need a gmail account and then send a request to girlsguidetosurvival@gmail.com
        Peace,
        Desi Girl

  13. Make Enduring Smile a Part of Your Life January 28, 2011 at p01 #

    Hi “broken_no_more”.
    You are a brave girl. Hats off…
    Wish you happiness and fulfillment of dreams in the future.

  14. The Wizard January 26, 2011 at p01 #

    Beats me why in MIL’s and FIL’s don’t accept the DIL as their own daughter and why DIL’s don’t oversee smaller things as they would with their own parents!
    Human relations and this constant urge for one-up-man-ship ruins simplest of the situations.

    It is all about one-up-man/womanship. Be it in the professional life or be it at the homes. Women get more home time and all their social stereotypes, be it a good wife, mother, DIL or a horrible wife, mother, DIL all begin and end at home. Even if they have professional lives their success is stillmeasured by domestic yard stick, how clean is her home and how well behaved are her kids…

    Why MIL and FIL don’t accept the DIL as their own daughter?

    Beacause their daughters are not what they are very proud of. As offsprings they talk back to their parents, even throw tantrums, do emotional balckmail etc. Parents have trained them and have invested time and emotion in them so they take the nonsense. Are they ready for that from a new person in their homes? Doubtful. That is the reason they have two sets of rules for daughter and DILs. DILs have to fulfill their fantasy of ideal daughter they could not make :)

    why DIL’s don’t oversee smaller things as they would with their own parents!

    A DIL can tell her parents, Mom Dad enough is enough I have heard this story million times, can she say that to her MIL and FIL?

    A person cannot be adopted in adulthood (leagally yes but emotionally it is doubtful). Won’t it be a idea to accept one another as fellow adults and behave like one instead of childish passive aggressive mind games if that doesn’t work then violent outburst (throwing things and beating people). Some In-laws begin converting into their own kind the minute she steps into their doors and they expect her to follow their dysfunctional instructions like a robot but should only express positive emotions.
    BAHU IS AN ENEMY BROUGHT HOME WITH A MARCHING BAND AND FAN FARE.

    Key would be to accpet everybody is adult even if the in-laws are double in age the DIL is still an adult.Wish people could learn to be adults in relationships. :)
    Desi Girl

  15. desibahu January 25, 2011 at p01 #

    I wanted to thank you for believing me about my MIL and not questioning if I’m lying. I can tell you that most people who such topics come up with just don’t get it. They either straightforward ask, “what have you done to make your in-laws like this?” or “you don’t look like that type of girl”, meaning that I must have done something to deserve such treatment. Even if I had done something, that’s no excuse to treat someone like that.
    Some people say how could so and so be like that?, or I know so and so, they are————– (opposite positive behavior), meaning that I must be stupid or lying.
    I don’t blame anyone for misjudging me because I never told the whole story to anyone except my aunt, everyone else just got it in bits and pieces because I was ashamed of sharing bad things about people.
    The pain that I felt from my SIL’s games and mean comments at that time, and the way it broke me, the way I believed what she said, the way my marriage was affected because of all that crap. I know there are many many girls going through the very same thing right now and I want them to know it’s not them, it’s the other person.
    And as you said for #1-focus your energy to improve your relationship with your spouse, because everything these in-laws do will break your marriage apart. Don’t let that happen.

    Desi Girl is glad she could help. Keep up with the drill we discussed in our chat.

    • nolongeraslave January 26, 2011 at p01 #

      Desi bahu,

      Victim blaming in our Indian culture is very sad. I can completely relate to you enduring re-victimizing comments such as “What did you do to make your mother in law so upset?” The truth is the abused victim is desperately trying to please the abuser! The more you please, the more they think they can walk all over you.

      I know some of us want instant validation and comfort, but we must be careful about who we disclose to. It’s important to talk about our issues, but only with people that are compassionate, supportive and won’t blame us.

  16. Lurker January 10, 2011 at p01 #

    brokendesigirl-Thanks so much for referring my blog. I’m not at the point where I can take comments from others, but it means a lot to me!

    When I started my blog, I had no idea girlsguidetosurvival.com existed. Kudos to you desi girl for starting this.

    You are welcome. Feel at home at GGTS it is a safe space.
    Desi Girl wants you to make your blog a safe space too. Did you receive my email? Please write to me I have few suggestions.
    DG

    • Broken DesiGirl January 12, 2011 at p01 #

      DG .. I think it is time to change my username from broken desi girl to something else .. will try.. just to avoid the confusion :) . Should have been more original :)

      I told you, you are not broken. Universe is the limit pick up a strong, powerful name you like and that reflects your strength and endurance. :)

    • nolongeraslave January 13, 2011 at p01 #

      Desi girl, it’s me Lurker and I took your advice on moving my blog to wordpress.com. The old blog is gone, but I made a new one. I still have a lot of work to do though!

      http://nolongeraslave.wordpress.com/


      Good Job. I guess you shut down the blogspot blog. I’ll change your web URL on my blog then.
      Keep up the good work. Break the silence and reclaim your life.
      Good Luck,
      Peace,
      Desi Girl

  17. coolblogger January 9, 2011 at p01 #

    Pretty good points. Loved it. As you had put exactly, dont ffollow traditional wisdom – win by love. yes, and the more you try to bribe them , they start to feel that you are compensating your guilt with gifts and start to demand more.
    I am loving your blog , need to read all the posts:)

    It is simple, treat your self as an adult and expect others to treat you as an adult. Generational reverance goes out of window the minute senior expect the junior to make them happy. No one can make another happy it is everyone’s personal business. But anyone can create reasons good enough to create unhappiness for others by stepping on their toes. Good boundaries make good neighbors.

  18. The Wizardspost January 9, 2011 at p01 #

    BDG….I understand what you are saying and I appreciate your openness.
    It is really sad that human relationships are so complex. Again we have our own frames of reference; maybe I have not come across any severe case as people are discussing here.
    Everyone should be happy, there should be co-existence and respect for each others values.
    One thing I may add here though – as far as possible, newly married couples should avoid staying with in-laws, at least initially because there has to be an unadultrated bonding between them that ought to last a lifetime.
    All other points need more consideration and deliberation than a poor wizard can ever offer :)
    I wish you the best ….always.

    If you have read GGTS then you know DG is not only tech challaneged but also text lingo challaneged, kindly explain what is BDG?
    Is it possible for all newly married couple’s to stay on their own? What about lower middle, middle middle class couple’s that are herded in compressed living conditions in urban areas? The families live together not of choice but due to economic needs. The only solution could be if a man cannot afford a place of his own he should not get married at all :) .
    Even when the married couple is living on their own women are being burnt in the tandoor or hacked in the freezer http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/software-engineer-kills-wife-chops-body-into-pieces-72231

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/Tandoor-victim-Naina-rises-from-ashes/Article1-312946.aspx

    Do you think Anupama or Naina would have come out to seek help for domestic abuse from people who pronounce guilty even before listening? You haven’t seen severe cases as mentioned on the GGTS because you did not pay attention around you. No one is going to come and tell you what they are going through if they know you’ll judge them.

    @Lurker’s post is very apt here
    http://sexualabuseindians.blogspot.com/2011/01/why-didnt-you-tell-anyone-because.html

    In one of the comments you said to @Broken Desi Girl that it was her problem if she has messed up husband and FIL it is not your fault. That is the attitude that shuts people and condones abuse. Relationship abuse is every body’s problem or else how will it end. You and me are also part of the system that supports male entitlement and privileges and oppresses women. Violence Against Women is definitely our problem.
    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2010/11/02/take-back-the-night-2010/

    You said: …Everyone should be happy, there should be co-existence and respect for each others values.
    That is so wishful yet abstract. What are those values does it mean respect my parents because they are grooms parents. Where as the traditional value is to keep the brides family on toes as they are “ladki wale”

    It is high time we defined what values are and what happiness means, keeping up with the jones or being in sync with one’s core (stress free state), that is how everyone is born, without stress.

    DG

    • The Wizardspost January 9, 2011 at p01 #

      BDG = Broken DesiGirl
      Simple :)
      Frankly, I meant for my post to go to her but got confused while replying so it landed in your basket, methinks…lol.
      I do not wish to counter every argument here because the subject is vast and one can discuss endlessly. I have put forth my views to which I got some replies and suggestions that I appreciate.
      Will be visiting your blog often :) …just to see the other side of the fence :)
      I am leaving this post ( not blog ) … with one take-away ( and the SAME give-away …LOL ) and that is- ” Listen to what the other person is saying, evaluate without putting your own frames of reference, and respect the other persons ideas, however outlandish, or stupid or contrary to your own they may appear to be ”
      Peace n Happiness always … :)

      :) That was simple. :) All comments will land in DG’s basket as she is the owner of the blog and the moderator. :) Good, you took something. No truth is absolute. All truths are relative. :)

      There will be many other posts to comment on :) gham na kar kai posts padi hein abhi…
      DG

  19. The Wizardspost January 9, 2011 at p01 #

    I think there is a mismatch here :)
    Desi Bahus DO NOT have problems with in-laws or husbands. It is the educated, working, shahari or (in thought) videshi bahus that have more issues.
    More so, if their husbands too are desi – and its not about education or awareness level but in their attitude and behavior.

    @Wizardspost,
    Welcome to GGTS, a safe space.

    Wao, thank you for enlightening DG and other readers that only educated and shahari (urban) desi bahus have issues. Why didn’t you include parkatis (those with short hair) too. :)

    Shahari, videshi (foreigner) or villager all bahus are being beaten and killed on some or the other pretext. What do you think is the reason? Definitely women are thought to be dispensible and replaceable in patriarchal societies. What has it got to do with education or social station (caste, class, religion etc.)? Educationa and social station just expediet the process of elimination with sophistication.

    http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/desi-in-laws-wedging-a-psychological-warfare-against-bahus/

    Peace,
    Desi Girl

    • Broken DesiGirl January 9, 2011 at p01 #

      Education and social awareness of the injustice only expedites the process of elimination of desi bahus, who are only trying to live with their god given human dignity. People like these in laws only know the language of manipulation. But these educated desi bahus would rather a real life in love. Does not matter if you are educated or uneducated, as a daughter in law you are an object ONLY.
      This wizard post person sounds like my soon to be ex father in law, who blamed my husbands extra marital excursions of sleeping with prostitutes on me his daughter in law. Sad to see how an educated person can come up with a thought like that.

      Yes, there was utter ignorance and lack of empathy in Mr. Wizardspost’s comment. His comment was just like saying “oh stop complaining, be thankful for what you have women in other places have it even worse.” It was the topic of one of IHM’s posts.
      http://indianhomemaker.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/let-us-not-for-a-minute-forget-that-we-women-still-walk-across-minefields/

      It is fine you used a personal example to make your point. You put a face to the problem otherwise talking in abstraction just dilutes the issue and makes it impersonal as if it is happening to someone else in a remote location.

      Women’s struggle to claim their humanity is not threatened by those who are ignorant & conservative who consider women to be second class citizens but from those who claimed to be wellwishers who want to uplift the downtrodden without giving up their previlege. Women’s rights are more threatened by these half cooked modern people. :)

      So nice to hear from you. How have you been? Did you get my email? Did not hear back from you so was thinking about you. :) Hope things are good with you and you’ll have a blessed and prosperous 2011.

      DG

      • The Wizardspost January 9, 2011 at p01 #

        Look…I did agree to the points brought forth by so many people here but merely said that things are changing for the better. Look around and you will know they are.
        I think this is an open forum where we can discuss without bringing in personal issues; if you have them with your husband or FIL it is not my fault :)
        I for one would love a fiery daughter in law like you…
        Sigh! But then you only wish to here resonance to your own thoughts!

        Yes, things are changing. Definitely changing more women are voicing their discontent and seeking positive solution to every day problems instead of calling it karma from previous lives and following death do us apart or till you kill me.

        There are numerous women bloggers who regularly blog about issues that marr desi marriages and there are even greater number of readers and comment writers who endorse what they are writing. Those who do not blog or are not educated or shahari according to you are also making their discontent known. Leigh Minturn’s Sita’s Daughters Revisited will be a very good first hand source to observe social change in everyday life.

        http://books.google.ca/books?id=qkchsdDYXbcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Sita's+daughters+Revisited+minturn&source=bl&ots=9hCcqL31Zs&sig=tm8NCTlY37XaoAfK6cvBxVUvY8Q&hl=en&ei=O-spTbvkCoG6sQOX5emnBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

        DG

      • Broken DesiGirl January 9, 2011 at p01 #

        I did get a little carried away there. Sorry. Yes this is an open forum and we can express our thoughts without shutting down the other person. I do not mean to be pessimistic, but I do not believe things are really changing. I feel this is a generational thing and women need to emphatize with other women who are going through the same issues, instead of being the perpetrators of the abuse.
        For example, I see my sister in law, who has had the same issues with her husband – only son and 3 sisters. They are both educated, in the US, but the guy should have married mommy dearest. Sadly, my own sister in law, does not feel the need to not interfere in our life, she has to control her brother…who is unfortunately at the bottom of the food chain in this family.
        The way I look at it is my husband is so fearful of his family’s disapproval, that he has dedicated his life to pleasing everyone else while sacrificing his own marriage. They know that the slightest hint of their disapproval of him, they can have him running around them in circles. Difficult for a sane person to keep up with manipulative games like that. I guess one has to be just like them to deal with them. I for one could not keep up with the mind games..I wish i knew what the solution was, other than get exhausted and lose my sanity.

        It is a safe space you can voice your experiences. Men who ought to have married mommy dear are called spineless squids with uncut umblical chords. There is a special formula to prepare them. Here is the recipe http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/desi-parenting-raising-devoted-sons/

        Unless the man in question realizes that he is being played upon by his own folks in the name of love and family loyalty by inducing fear and guilt there is not much that a spouse can do to wake him up. Often times men are aware what their families are capable of but it pays to go along coz’ they do not how to confront the drama or challenge the manipulation.
        @Lurker has done a very good post on the topic that is aptly applicable here. http://sexualabuseindians.blogspot.com/2011/01/mamas-boy-syndrome-idolizing-abusive.html

        Only solution to maintain your sanity is to remove yourself from the situation and that is not an option for most desi women. Due to lack of moving out option they indulge in tit for tat behaviors as a part of survival strategies and feel good factor. Thus changing nothing but running on a hamster wheel.

  20. desibahu January 8, 2011 at p01 #

    a girl has not only to deal with in-laws but with the desi husband as well. i’m sure you know so much you can make a list of behaviors of saas, fil, bhabis, and husband. bad relationship is meant to happen. no matter how much you love your hubby, his behavior, especially his family’s, creates a distance between the couple. you cannot love and respect the person the same way you did in the beginning no matter what. your hubby might change years later, but trust is gone.
    thanx for letting us know we are not alone. it’s only when i read on your site that i realized i wasn’t the only one with such such in-laws. but what is wrong with the husbands? why do they marry if they are only bringing in a thing? why don’t they marry their family, or mother, geez? why even “love” marriage, when it is not a love marriage? is our definition of love different from theirs? they think love is, “i don’t cheat on you, i spend money on you, i’m honest with you.”

    Yup our definitions differ. Women think serving him is love and men think let her serve him is love. :) They are doing us a favor by letting us serve them :)

    Of course trust is gone. If one is not planning to walk out on a marriage then they should prepare a script and practice it to talk to their spouse about what they need in the relationship to be able to function efficiently. REMEMBER there is a difference between NEED and WANT. You can do without wants but NEEDS are a must to carry on.
    When DG was in marital mess, the thing that bothered her was she could not give her love 100% coz’ she was so hurt and abused. It is a very stiffling feeling.
    Love or arranged marriage no matter MOMMY comes first. Poor men they have grown up in years but their umblical chords are still uncut. Feel really sorry for these spineless squids.

    • desibahu January 25, 2011 at p01 #

      Yes you are correct, I do need to sit with him and tell him what my needs are, and he should do the same as well. I might not love him as before, unless he can show me that I can trust him, but I love my spineless squid. There is a reason for men being on earth, and a reason for women being on earth. We’re same, but unique. We need each other. If we didn’t, we wouldn’t be born with boobs and uterus and they wouldn’t be born different physically (handsome and muscular). Men are not perfect, neither are women. There are bad men out there, as there are women.
      Our desi men definately have issues, as do mils, fils, sils, wives/bahus, the whole system is screwed up. If people are open-minded, if they are willing to change for the better, if they are not evil beings, they can be changed. To bring change into society, we need to educate people and the women have to start standing up.

      …they can be changed
      Desi Bahu, you are kidding :) Are you?

      People do not change because you want them to, they change because they want to.

      If it is hurting then it is definitely not love. If your shoe is pinching “you” either fix the shoe or change the shoe because it is hurting your feet. If DG fixed the shoe or changed the shoe it wont help Desi Bahus. Yes, ladies stand up. Three cheers for Desi Bahu :) :) :)

      • desibahu January 25, 2011 at p01 #

        i meant women have to start standing up for themselves.
        In our culture, people think you have to scare the girl into being kind and subservient. What they don’t understand is that if you love the bahu and treat her kindly, if you are kind to your son’s wife, your brother’s wife, your wife, naturally(because I believe women are more forgiving and sacrificing in nature)the girl will give that love back. But the problem is the girls from there as well. I’ve heard of girls abusing the in-laws. IT ALL STEMS FROM GREED, POVERTY, UNEDUCATION.

        Greed yes, Poverty may be scarcity, uneducation that is questionable coz’some are heighly educated like Desi Girl’s MIL an M.A., M.Ed and FIL a Ph.D. Guess it is quality of life education that makes people kind and compassionate not the bookish degrees.

      • gallas January 26, 2011 at p01 #

        did ur squid (ahem!..hubby) have serious relationships b4 marriage. u c another reason is boys n girls here don’t get liberty to understand their youthful needs n take care of each other until they land in d marriage trap.

      • desibahu January 26, 2011 at p01 #

        correct, nobody can change anybody. i have learned this by now as well as read it again and again.the person themselves have to change.

  21. Broken DesiGirl November 16, 2010 at p11 #

    Why are things like this so predominant in our Indian soceity. How can we change it. I come from 12 years of oppression, a Catholic married to a Punjabi Hindu. Love marriage obviously. My in laws never gave me a chance. They made him feel like he had let them down by marrying out of religion and the guilt affected him. He was emotionally abusive still is..with me, arrogant with my parents. All this started right after marriage. His father has made statements like “Is this why we sacrificed for you ?”, threaten abandonment..all along my husband would say that I was not doing enough to adjust to them and make them like me. My sis in law would taunt me. They would emotionally blackmail him and play crazy mind games I could never keep up with. I was tired, went through depression, found my faith bounced back. Got pregnant, my husband wanted me to abort our baby because he could not deal with his father’s backlash if we planned to do anything christian with the child..had a miscarriage..our baby never had a chance to survive. He made a scene at my sisters wedding, again because his parents made him feel guilty for spending time with his wife.. he had slept with a prostitute..which i found out about over the phone..(there is a god).. After that I woke up.. no one could take me for granted anymore. Then I found out about Narcissism and it made me realize that I had been living with a Narcissist for the last 12 years, and Narcissitic in laws. I think there was a period in between where he was seriously trying to change, but his parents came to visit us and that was the end of the relationship..lot of drama..because I did not back down. Sadly, our Indian culture is very Narcisstic, with the way sons and men are treated in soceity..when will it change.. even the educated.. lawyers .. doctors..subscribe to this way of thinking. My husband saya that Lord Ganesha has taught him to worship his parents.. but what about his wife ??

    • girlsguidetosurvival November 19, 2010 at p11 #

      @Broken Girl,

      Welcome to GGTS, a safe space.

      You are not alone, we sailed in the same boat sista…
      http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/emotional-blackmail/

      You asked, How can we change it?

      By being informed. How our social system works and how even the so called educated doctors and engineers subscribe to it without any qualms. GGTS is committed to expose the salient mechanizations of social desi system that oppressed people not only subscribe to it but also become its gatekeepers. Please read the following:

      http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/401/

      http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/desi-in-laws-wedging-a-psychological-warfare-against-bahus/

      Sorry for your loss. If any consolation that you are not alone, Desi Girl was kicked in the belly eight weeks pregnant. It is a relife coz’ it shows what awaited the baby.

      Same pinch at my cousin’s wedding we had our drama queen acting out of his inferiority complex. And his God foresaken mother had a trip to emergency room and they found nothing wrong with her just high BP. How can one immdediately get high BP? Very easy disolve lots of salt in water and drink BINGO you are in ER.

      Desi Girl is so glad you found your faith. Your faith never gave upon you, just you did. :) It pays to stick to something greater than all of us.

      Did Lord Ganesha ask him to marry outside his religion and caste? Oh my, did he tell him to have a love marriage and not an arranged. I am sorry you did not know that lord Ganesha had two wives. I guess he married the first one on his own and the mommy dear brought in the second one :) (No offences to anyone just a speculation or why else one have two wives.)

      You asked,… the way sons and men are treated in soceity..when will it change…

      The minute women as mothers, sisters, wives,girlfriends realize they are human just like men so they do not need to put these mortals on the pedestle. Women have to start treating themseleves as humans first (not as slaves to men) before they can expect to be treated like one by men.

      Keep coming back
      It works if you work it.
      Work it because you are worth it.

      Please don’t be broken anymore. Desi Girl is proud of you. You are memded and you set example for many more.

      Sorry for delay in response. DG has no good excuse, she is just little lazy. One comment at a time :)

      Please share this message of hope with anyone who may benefit.

      Sending you love & Peace,
      Desi Girl

      • Broken DesiGirl November 20, 2010 at p11 #

        Thank you desigirl for your heart warming support and revelations. That song is beautiful and so are your words. Looking at the way you are giving others inspiration and hope is refreshing. I wish I can too someday. That will make 12 years of my life trying to be loved.. mean something. i still believe in love though :)

    • The Wizardspost January 9, 2011 at p01 #

      I do empathize with you and believe me, i do understand what you would be going though…since i deal with similar cases on regular basis.
      I do not know whether you have had children ( despite the abortion that your hubby wanted you to have ) but if things are really this bad i wonder if you would be contemplating legal action or simply moving out! More so, as no end seems to be in sight. After all, even if you can change the hubby’s attitude ( remember, he did once love you )…the in laws will always ensure he remains the same.
      I don’t even know how many years have you been married; so my suggestion for any specific course of action would be a bit out of the way, maybe.
      Do write to me if you need any suggestions and help or just a good friend, maybe based on some more input; i could help. Its reikidoc@gmail.com and please go thru my other blog http://healings.weebly.com/ for more details.
      Its been nice knowing you.
      Thanks and God Bless

      Most of BDG’s information is scattered in comments on various posts at GGTS. You can read around. In order to be able to help an abused here are some tips http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/all-about-relationships/how-to-help-an-abused-2/
      DG

      • broken_no_more January 28, 2011 at p01 #

        Hi DG,

        Decided to go with the name change from Broken Desi Girl to broken_no_more, because I really do not feel broken anymore. I mean it. Sometimes one has to drown, to get a new breath of life, and that is what I feel I have done. So yes, I moved on, got a fresh new perspective at life, I have been into counseling and prayed a hell of a lot. I would pray to the Lord for healing him, making him realize.. but then, realized that maybe God wanted me to heal myself first.

        There are times when I feel sad, for what my husband has become. I still pray for him, because I feel sad for him, and I guess I still love him. I have come to realize that his fear of his parents, especially of his father never really allowed him to know selfless love. His father has had such a hold over him, that it makes me sad and angry at God sometimes for allowing parents to manipulate and emotionally blackmail their own children. As a child, we cannot walk away from abuse or even recognize abuse, and find ways to cope with it, even if it means becoming spineless squids with their parents master manipulators with their wife and her family. His father has made sure that he his son know, how he let the father down, by not marrying a Punjabi. That has been a sword hanging over our marriage. His father has been key to causing stress in our marriage and my husband was really spineless before his father. He could not bear his father’s dissapproval..and those are the mind games these parents play.

        Sometimes if one parent is bad you could get so relief from another, here my mil too was quite a terror. I think she herself has lost it after trying to please an authoritarian husband, and the only way she herself has survived is because of her dominating personality. So you can only imagine how powerful my father – in – law really is in this family. He told his son , it was OK that he slept with a prostitute, he told me that it was my fault. It makes me sick, to know that father’s who are supposed to be good role models for their sons, don’t do their jobs, end up creating monsters like themselves… But the same man FIL will bend over backwards to make sure his damaad is happy… He has gone to lengths to please his daughters in laws , but when it came to our marriage, he jumped at getting rid of me at the first opportunity he got. I think I gave him that opportunity, because I was living in hell, with my husband always fearing his father. So after I moved out, they all swooped in FIL, MIL and my SILs (2).

        Within a month of my moving out, my husband was already on match.com and shaadi.com looking for a replacement..I was not surprised, but I was relieved that I was dealing with dysfunction for 12 years of my life. That helped me wake up and realize that these people had my their own son and brother so cripled emotionally, that he really did not have the tools to deal with stress. A dysfuntional mess FIL, MIL and SIls included.

        My husband has an uncle, whose wives left him because he was so controlled by his mother. He is lonely in his old age now. He has wives and an son somewhere..cursing him for ruining their lives. I guess when one does not have good role models in the family you grew up in, there is nothing much one can do. This has been a family of dog eat dog, and my husband was really at the bottom of the food chain. The only one he controlled and abused was me. Till I woke up, divine intervention had a big part to play in it. I called my husband up one day, and he instead of turning the phone off, kept it on and I heard all his stories of him boasting to a friend of how he slept with a prostitutes, did all the cool stuff the strip clubs etc… That was divine intervention and miracle and the beginning of my journey to accept abuse no more. I only have my dear sweet Lord Jesus to thank for it. Or else I still would have been living with a narcissist and continued to believe his lies, of how the relationship was all wrong because of me.

        I know I probably must have gone one and on..but DG just letting it out helps so much. I hope someone else reading this, just learns to say no to abuse.
        Peace :)

        Congratulations!
        You are broken no more :) You have reclaimed your power and voice. GGTS is a safe space, feel free to share. Together we can make a difference.
        Now you know why they are doing what they are doing or have done to you, so it is easier to move ahead. That is their best and one cannot expect more from them. Isn’t it a blessing that you and me have an opportunity to walk out and imagine the plight of children born to this FIL, they cannot even hate him for what he is doing to them or walk out on him. A pig has to make merry in the ***t it has no other option but to make most of it.

        Oh, we are so blessed broken_no_more, thank God we were not born to that man.

        About your ex on the mandi (marriage market) at least he waited a month DG knows of some scum bags who are still living with wives and are posting profiles on those sites.

        DG is so happy for you that you are on a good move.
        Peace,

        Desi Girl

  22. Mehak March 30, 2010 at p03 #

    Hi GGTS,

    It was great conversing with you yesterday. Thanks a tonne for your support and encouragement.

    Mehak

  23. Mehak March 25, 2010 at p03 #

    Thanks GGTS.

    I soaked in a lot of good ideas from your reply. I will definitely implement them. I have a supportive group of people back home. And I make sure that I keep my sister and parents informed about what is happening here and at my in laws’ end.
    I know I have to become a very strong person and I am getting ready for it. Hope my in laws’ get a piece of “new” me this time.

    Thanks a tonne
    Mehak

    • girlsguidetosurvival March 25, 2010 at p03 #

      Mehak,

      I am glad you find peace here at GGTS. I want you to know that it is very important where you come from. Any effort you make it should come from kindness and compassion be it for your self or others but firmly. Just be aware of feelings of angst, anger and setting the score straight, that is where we loose sight of what we want.
      Kindness and compassion are like salt and pepper in our life, there moderation makes the meal tasty or it is hard to swallow. Keep us posted. Have a safe trip to Desh,

      Good luck,

      Desi Girl

  24. Mehak February 26, 2010 at p02 #

    @ girlsguidetosurvival: Thanks a lot for replying to my comments. I really appreciate the pain you have taken to explain to me that I am not a jerk to expect decency from my husband and his family.. and that, unfortunately, I am not the only girl who is facing such issues.

    There are so many issues that I can’t even state them here.. because the space will fall short!! It’s been more than a year since I got married. I went to India last year and my husband was here because of his job. I went to my in-laws’ house where I was bombed with thier nasty comments.. and they had a gala time, because I was alone. So they would talk to me privately and would say all sorts of rubbish. They kept on repeating ,” humaare bete ke liye to itne rishte aaye the… koi car de raha tha.. koi 1 crore rupees de raha tha.. humaare pundit se humaari baat nahin ho paayi nahin to ye shaadi nahin hoti.” I felt totally worthless.. I had a permanent job in Delhi at one of the best companies in the world.. and I have more degrees than my husband. I have a masters degree and my husband has his bachelors.. I left my job because of marriage and there has never been any appreciation on that part from them.

    My SILs are no better. Where I live right now, it snows heavily. She keeps on saying,” tumhaare to maze aa gaye.. tere to armaan poore ho rahe hain.. tune sapno mein jaisa dekha hoga waisa hi lagta hoga tujhe wahaan par.. ” Recently she asked about the weather here and it was raining very heavily those days so I told her about it. She instantly remarked,” waah jao fir baahar saawan ke maze lo.” I am growing weary of such remarks . I don’t know what to say to them. What should I do?

    When I went to India last year, all sorts of “gift requests” started poring in. We had a rough time last year and I didn’t even have a bed in my apartment. We used to sleep on a mattress. Forget about sofa or anything. And still, when we informed them about my plan to come to India, my mother in law asked me to bring stuff even for their neighbours… perfums, cosmetics,video games and what not. My husband spent nearly 2000 $ just on gifts. When we ( my husband and I) were coming back from India, it was his birthday the following day. But no one gave him even a penny. This is his family.

    What can you say about this?

    • girlsguidetosurvival February 28, 2010 at p02 #

      Dear Mehak,

      We are sailing in the same boat sister. Been there and done that. My assurance to you at this moment does not matter much because you are in the situation and it is over whelming. I am guessing you are situated somewhere in the north east or Midwest U.S.A. living in a suburb near your spouse’s work place. All the people you know are his friends or wives of his colleagues who may not even share your profession or educational background. You guys have one car and he takes it to the work. You are on a dependent visa H4 or L2; if it is H4 you are totally dependent on your spouse as you cannot have a work permit or social security number. Even if you have an EAD the job market is really bad so nothing much is coming forth. If we begin from here I know you feel stranded and both emotionally and physically isolated and on the top of it the remote controlling from 11,000 miles.

      So what can you do about this whole ongoing drama piled on you? Let us begin with things you can control. Are you in any position to control any of your material conditions? Make a list of things you can change like you can take the car and go out on your own. Are you able to join any organization? Are you able to meet people who are not known to your spouse? If yes, then begin doing that.

      Getting Busy

      Go to the nearest university or community college and enroll in some classes. Yes, I know it is expensive because you have not yet established your residency so got to nearest Regional Occupational Center or adult education center and find out about hobby classes. This way you’ll not only be busy but you’ll meet new people. If even that is not possible then go and learn ice skating it is fun. I wobble but I still have lots of fun. You do not even have to buy skates you can rent them and take a lesson. Go you local YWCA or YMCA. Staying indoors and lack of sun can make even a healthy person depressed. Do some kind of physical exercise. Your health is your best friend, keep it with you.

      Making Dependable Friends

      Personally I am not very interested in desi aa bahen chugali karen karyakram nor do I like to talk about other people’s kids so I prefer meeting people who are from different cultures and share my interests. Also remember, desi women friends are able to help you only as much you will be able to help them if a need arise. Like you these women are also dependent on their spouses and will do as they are told. So develop your own friendships and support circle.

      Find the nearest American Association of University Women chapter and join it. That way you’ll meet some very supportive and strong women. Be part of something greater, go and volunteer in the near by school or library. Yes, many of my clients joined Mandir, Gurudwara groups and when things went south in their marriages they were dropped like hot potatoes by these very groups.

      Take Responsibility

      Yes, it is very difficult to be idle, isolated and be dependent on the spouse for all your needs that too after you had had a successful career. You made a conscious choice to quit your successful job and join your spouse abroad. I agree there is a social and cultural expectation from a woman that she’ll follow her spouse and make the marriage work. But you cannot expect his family to appreciate your sacrifice because to them it was your duty. I was in the same situation.

      When you got married you knew your spouse’s qualifications. Again you made a choice now you cannot retract. I was more qualified and professionally experienced but I made a choice to marry him and later follow him abroad. Even he did not consider it not even aate mein namak barabar. This thought of lack in the partner comes to mind when the partner is not able to meet our emotional needs. Or when his family starts belittling you and you want to prove your worth.

      Giving Your Power Away

      Now, coming to remarks by the SIL, “tumhaare to maze aa gaye.. tere to armaan poore ho rahe hain.. tune sapno mein jaisa dekha hoga waisa hi lagta hoga tujhe wahaan par…” It is bothering you because this was not the life you dreamt of. Next time if she says that please tell her “yes, you are right just as my dreams have come true I wish all your dreams come true too.” His sister use to constantly tell me how lucky I was that her brother is my husband. I told her in the presence of her brother “yes, indeed I am lucky and I want her to have exactly a husband like mine.” Believe me he started crying and accusing me that I cursed his sister because he knew how bad a husband he was. Don’t give away your power to people unnecessarily. For “waah jao fir baahar saawan ke maze lo.” Tell her aapke bhaya ke bine maze kaise, he is working hard to payoff last India trip? But do not ever even think of inviting her abroad. About the Pundit thing next time suggest them they can consult the pundit now or tell them now it is too late. I am here to stay. Be assertive; inform your parents and some supportive friends who’ll be able to speak up for you about these remarks.

      Basically there is no end to this exchange of filmy dialogues. Every week you can write to me and I’ll suggest some crisp counter dialogues because I have a stock of unsaid dialogues. Do you think is it worth your time and energy? Keep the conversation to minimum with people who are disrespectful. Just be pleasant and exchange pleasantries. You can’t expect anything better from bitter people. When you’ll have your own friends and hobbies you’ll not have much time to engage with this dysfunctional lot.

      After these many years I have come to understand what is meant by “Nobody can make you feel bad without your consent.” You are feeling bad because what ever the people on the other continent (including your family and girl friends) are assuming about your life abroad is not true and you are putting up a façade that things are great. You are feeling bad because none of your dreams about the life in foreign have come true. One feels cheated because one made so many compromises and the resulatant was sub zero. But that is not the end of the world. You can and only you can find your peace, nobody can give it to you.

      Be Proactive

      I am guessing yours was an arranged marriage and it is a new marriage. Did you guys talk about finances and your future goals? I was exactly in the same situation. We went to India and he spent $4000 just on gifts and then transferred $4000 to his mom’s account. They gave us nothing. Believe me not even a sari for holi rather his mother stole my stuff. Where as my parents gave me and him not only dresses, gold but stuff for every day use. So what is happening to you is not unusual, it is very common practice. Those sitting in India think the money grows on the trees abroad. So make a date for taking about your future financial goals. Make a budget. How much you guys plan to save this year and how will you invest that money. Do you have any assets together other than car? Do you guys have a joint account? Do you have a credit card in your name? If yes, good. If no, then work on getting it done. Be proactive don’t do like I did. I gave up because it was physically abusive marriage. Also, I felt it was not worth my time and energy, eight years of misery was all I could take.

      About quality of life and standard of living, it is your basic right to have minimum required furniture and nutrition. In India families save for months and years to buy a piece of furniture and an electronic gadget but here you can buy things in a month’s salary. Get on craigslist and get what you want; look in the free stuff category too. If he has money for gifts for neighbors he should definitely have money for basic needs. What does this tell you? He can not stand up for himself and tell his folks (with whom he has lived all his life) “I don’t have money it was a tough year” but he expects you (he is been with you for less than a year) to be understanding and non-demanding. Just because understanding and compromise comes with the job profile of a wife.

      I suggested in the previous response think about getting professional counseling. You are feeling hurt, isolated and are over whelmed by constant bombardment of nasty comments. Make your self immune to external influences through some form of meditation and spiritual practice. I was introduced to Kundalini yoga by my roommates. It really helped me resolve my issues and made me a better person.

      I want you to know you’ll be fine just keep your heart in the right place. Believe me you are loved and valued not only by your parents and siblings but by GGTS because I see myself in you. Most of all you have to love and value your self before you can expect others to do the same.

      GGTS sends you warm thoughts, lots of love and hugs

      • Mehak March 24, 2010 at p03 #

        Hi GGTS,

        Thank you so much for your encouraging reply. Whenever I feel low, I come back to your blog and your reply to my problems. This does console me a lot.
        Yes I live on the north east coast here in states. My personal experiences have been “not good” and that’s why I keep missing India. My husband is kind of authoritative for me, but for his parents, he is their “PET.” If I tell him about any comments that his parents pass, which I don’t like, he tells me that he will talk to them about it and that he will “fix” everything. But this never happens.. It’s been almost one and a half years since we got married and I’m sure he has never raised any concern regarding how bad I feel about those nasty comments. He probably thinks that I will forget once an issue is old, but it is very difficult to not to think about what they say because they make sure that they give me a full lecture on everything and unfortunately, when anything else comes up, my husband confronts me by saying,” tujhe to har cheez se problem hoti hai.. tujhe to har kisi se problem hai.” Is that the kind of support I deserve? NO !!

        When I joined my husband here last year, the apartment he was living in, was BAD. It was infested with mice and cockroaches and what not. there was no dishwasher at home, no washer/dryer.. no nothing.. And my husband does not even know how to make tea and maggi.. though he has been living here for almost 6 years now.. so the whole cooking thing has been my responsibility. When I was in my in laws’ house just after marriage, my MIL used to say that my rotis were uncooked. And I don’t know what did she say to my husband, but I really had a hard time when I came here. My husband used to make me cook 4-5 rotis and then he would “choose” the best .. which, according to him, was the one properly cooked, and thus he could eat that 1 out of th 4-5 I made.. And so eventually, I would end up making 9-10 rotis out of which he would choose the best 2/3 to eat. All the cleaning stuff and all.. washing utensils, vacuum cleaning the apartment, everything was my duty. And it didn’t take long for my body to react to this. I started having constant pain in my right hand. This was last april. When I mentioned my pain condition to my in laws, they said that probably it is nothing and that I don’t need to see a doctor… Imagine! But fortunately, my husband saw that my pain was getting worse and he took me to a doctor. I was diagnosed with elbow tendonitis and rotator cuff tendonitis in my right hand. I was even tested for cervical cancer. Can you imagine my state of mind when I was being tested for cancer?? Now I have pain in my right hand since a year now. It just doesn’t go. I have been going for physiotherapy here ( and you can imagine how expensive medical expenses are in states) I feel like I am handicapped now. Dealing with constant pain in my arm( from my fingers right up to my neck) has brought down my moral and self esteem. Tears roll down my eyes as I write about this to you. I have never heard my in laws asking my husband to help me in house hold work. But yes, They do ask me, “aaj kya bana rahi hai khaane mein fir?” I don’t know if they even consider me a human being. When we brought furniture for our apartment a few months ago, my sister in law told me, ” chal achha hai tum logon ne furniture le liya.. aur kuch karne ko nahin ho to dusting hi kar liyo.” And here I am, cooking and doing everything my self.. They somehow feel that life here is a piece of cake and that I am living like a princess here. And one very frequent question is:” fir tu saara din ghar mein kya karti rehti hai?” I don’t know if they are that stupid to not understand things once, twice or even thrice… I always tell them that even cleaning the kitchen takes time because I do it alone and I don’t have any domestic help here.. But somehow, this doesn’t seem to pacify them. I am certain,, that when I go to India, they are going to ask me the same question again and again( unfortunately.) What should I say to them??

        I am going to India next week and you wouldn’t believe what they are doing now. My sister in law rang us up and said” mere bachhe to bas apni mami se baat karna chahte hain.. ” and then she handed the phone to them and I heard her saying in the background, ” haan haan bolo mami ko kya chahiye tumhe wahaan se.” Now they are asking their kids to talk to us and get them gifts…. How cheap… My husband was more than glad to run to the nearest stores to get video game CDs for as much as $ 30… and colors for kids and pens and what not.. greedy people. And these demands were coming from families who are filthy rich! Nowadays we get everything in India, but they still are crazy for stuff from “foreign” on which I see nothing but “made in China” tags… which we are able to get in India aswell.. But greed has no end..

        My jewellery and expensive saarees everything is with my mother in law and I know they are misusing them. I don’t know what to do to save my own personal stuff.. specially my jewellery.

        This leaves me completely drained.. Looking forward to your reply on my situation.

        Thanks
        Mehal

      • girlsguidetosurvival March 25, 2010 at p03 #

        Dear Mehak,

        Desi Girl feels good that she is making some difference to someone. She commiserates with you. You remind her so much of herself, she was another Mehak just a few fateful years ago. After eleven months of stay abroad when I was leaving for desh for four weeks it was exactly the same story. We were to fly in the morning at night he started acting up and throwing things at me because he was so freaked out about facing his mother and sister. At that time I told him I don’t want to die but I want our plane to crash because I do not know how else to end this misery. So now you can imagine how desperate I would have been.

        I felt so powerless that I wanted someone to just fix my problems or tell me what to do. I tried every thing in my power doing exactly what they wanted, even giving more of my self and at one point it became I had nothing left to give other than my silence, my distant and removed look. Even that was not acceptable, “yeh kisi cheez mein interest he nahin leti,” “ghamandi hai,” “apane aapko kya samjhati hai” etc. In those days I did not even know how to use computer or I could have sought some kind of support from some forum etc. So the point is make a plan how you will deal with this situation. But I developed my spiritual core where nobody could reach me or hurt me. Violence could physically hurt my body but could not break my spirit. But violence impacts your self esteem. Please arrest it before it escalates.

        As we discussed in the previous response what you can do. First thing stop giving away your power. Develop some thick skin. You know everyday over the phone they are going to ask you “tu saara din ghar mein kya karti rehti hai?” Prepare a befitting answer or give the same answer every time so that after sometime you can say “I guess by now you know the answer by heart.” You can also try answering in mono syllables- yes, no, kuchh nahin, pata nahin etc. Keep talking to the minimum. You don’t have to give details of every thing- kya khaya, kya piya. Yes, I understand you want to talk to someone in Hindi and feel as a part of that family. But why keep knocking the door that you know the other person is unwilling to open for your entry. I love talking in Hindi too so you can imagine how it would have been for me. You remember Rinki, you met her in previous posts, and she just gave up.

        Mehak, I have similar problems with my hand and you would have read I was physically in pieces, put together with pins and needles. So I can understand. Pay attention to your health. Your health is important for you because it is your body. Even if your parents love you they cannot take your pain away. They can pray for you but it is you who has to bear the pain; so your health in not any one’s business besides you. Division of labor at home is always a bone of contention with new couples and especially where the woman is not working outside the home. As men think they entitled to services from wives for they bring home the money. About making chapattis for your husband according to his whims and fancies is ridiculous. Just ask him to show you what a good chapatti looks like and then just follow the directions. I am good cook because I am fond of eating so he had to find faults with the color of the curry. You guys are still getting to know each other so try to do some hobby together other than watching T.V. or movies. Ask your family physician for referral for counseling. I’ll recommend couple’s counseling. I am guessing you are physically and emotionally isolated and you are at a verge of slipping into clinical depression. Please seek professional help. It is a smart thing to do, to be proactive about your health and life.

        Your in-laws are trying to prevent you guys from saving anything. That is a very common tactic. Take to your spouse and set a target how much you guys are going to save every year and what major expenditures you’ll make every year. Usually our families have every thing back in India and our parents have retirement and pensions so they do not need any big financial support from. But guys think they have to pay back to their parents because they spent money on their education. Forgetting that even our parents spent on our education and then on our weddings. These parents do not ask for a certain amount but look for expensive gifts or meaningless gifts to impress the people they do not like such as, neighbors, colleagues. Thus the money spent by the couple goes unaccounted for even if it is in thousands. So be insistent on making this financial date with your spouse.

        You are not as powerless as you think. I thought not doing anything was my only option but that too was a choice I was making I did not know that until I came out of it. This time when you go home make your parents aware of your situation. God forbid things go further south in your marriage at least someone will be aware and be there for you. Or else every one will say “O, you didn’t tell us earlier. It surprised us. Had we known earlier we could have done something” etc. Though, people other than your parents rarely do anything because they do not know what to do. But this way you at least know who is genuinely helpful there after you can access your resources and supporters. I did not tell my parents but I told my three girl friends. When things became worse my girl friends spoke for me and convinced my parents about my decision. Remember, I had invested a great deal in these friendships. Even if they do not call me or write to me I make sure I regularly communicate with them. All were married (all were working except for me) even then they made sure they had enough courage to speak up for a friend.

        About your saries and jewelry, they did the same thing to me. My MIL made me remove every piece of jewelry at the airport. She even wanted me to remove the mangalsutra. I was so bugged that I even gave away the sets my parents gave me, there at the airport. I had no ornaments to wear when I was abroad but when I came back to desh she wanted me to wear ornaments because it reflected poorly on her “bahu bina gehno ke ghoom rahi hai.” Please start wearing your jewelry and good saries in everyday life because this is the time and these things are not going to lay eggs and hatch tiny saries and ornaments as we say in desh. Once you start wearing them in everyday life it will be lot easier to move few things to the locker. I did not even get to open most of my saries from the gift wrappings.

        Also, once you are in desh try to research job opportunities. That way you’ll see how much skill you have lost and how much you retain. It will also help you assess where you stand in the job market. May be on your return you can think of going to school as now you have established your residency.

        Desi girl wishes she had a magic wand to wipe of your troubles. Believe her she would have done that but Mehak this is your battle and you have to fight it. You cannot keep looking at others to give you answers. Please seek professional intervention like counseling. I mention number of books in my posts, please refer them. You are always welcome here at GGTS. Even when you are in Desh try to make time for GGTS that way you’ll have some support. You can even do a chat with Desi Girl. Or just visit us to keep us posted about your end.

        Desi Girl sends you lots of warm thoughts and support.

        Peace

      • desilady December 12, 2011 at p12 #

        hi
        i must say your response is very practical and correct
        i am actually from Pakistan and the male dominated society in Pakistan gives the male side of a marriage a lot of importance
        i am a physician and my husband is a physician too but i have been the victim of mental abuse from my inlaws.

        @desilady,

        Welcome to GGTS, a safe space.
        Sorry that you had to face the torture at the hands of dulhe wale. Why they do what they do is in the following posts:

        http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/desi-in-laws-wedging-a-psychological-warfare-against-bahus/
        http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/401/
        http://girlsguidetosurvival.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/desi-sex-ratio-and-marriage-nirmala-1925-to-2011/

        Please share this message of hope with anyone who may benefit.
        Peace,
        Desi Girl

    • Sonali March 2, 2010 at p03 #

      Dear Mehak,
      My warmest wishes to you. I will pray to God that you find yourself in a comfortable situation, as you must have seen in your sapne, very soon :)

      Best,
      Sonali

  25. mehak February 10, 2010 at p02 #

    Hi,

    I have been reading this blog for a few days now..nd I must say.. I feel as if I am reading my own story… My husband says he loves me..spends money on me… but his mother/father/sisters keep passing rude comments on me.. I am living in a different country at the moment.. but it doesn’t stop them from treating me like a thing.. rather than a person.. and I am fed up of this as whenever I tell him about the remarks they make, he ends up explaining to me how concerned his parents are , for him…and that I am too egoistic to take their remarks positively.. and what not… The fact is..They make rude remarks!! They are using my clothes, jewellery and everything at my back..!! I have not told my husband about it because of the fear of being called selfish again.. :( :( They have such a strong influence on my husband that he is totally blinded by what they say…. Can you imagine… my father in law told me that marriage is not about having sex.. How could he be so cheap! And when I told my husband about it, he said nothing!!!!! He just started smiling… how cheap ..again… what do I do??

    • girlsguidetosurvival February 11, 2010 at p02 #

      Welcome to GGTS safe space. Now you know that you are not alone there are many desi women in the same boat. The problem here is lack of personal boundaries. He and his family have no concept of boundaries. Their boundaries come in to existence when “you mehak” asks for something; some behavior in particular to stop.

      Desi marriages are basically induction of a woman into man’s family, where to prove her loyalty and establish herself she is to give up her personal boundaries. In many communities this begins with the ceremonies related to “peti khulayi,” opening of the bridal trousseaus. In this ceremony women from the conjugal family ask the new bride to open her trousseaus and then the sisters-in-law pick up what ever they want. The aim is to teach the new bride that what she owns is not her personal; her conjugal kin has a right to not only use it but to take it all together. To a foreigner this would seem like a very good way of bonding with the new family but in reality such ceremonial omission of boundaries sets the precedence of more violations in the coming time. The new bride out of so called humility (she is not selfish), honor (she has to protect the honor of her natal family- what did they teach her) and need to please and be accepted into the new family remains silent. Gradually this is taken for granted and she finds out the conjugal kind is walking all over her. In some other communities the new bride and man’s sister are given identical outfit as a bonding gesture that they both will be treated equally by the family members. The problem arises when this sister starts competing against the new bride and her brother starts buying identical stuff for both and forgets that wife deserves different treatment than sister.

      You don’t have to tell your Sharvan Kumar that his mother and sisters are using your personal effects and jewelry he already knows that. He has a history with them he knows them inside out and what they are up to. It serves him to act ignorant of it because he does not know how to handle them either. I have personally experienced this. His mother was a school teacher and loved wearing different clothes to work; basically competing with other teachers. Before I left the country I paid Rs. 700.00 to get each of my saries and cardigans dry cleaned. On my return she told her son in my presence that she has washed all my clothes and ironed them for me. When we were alone I told him do you think I am an idiot that I don’t see that she used my stuff in my absence and then ruined it by washing it at home. He knew pretty much that was true because I am a very organized and clean person and I had the receipt for dry cleaning in my possession. But the thought of confronting his mother made his pants wet.

      One of the ways to manipulate adult children is to assure them that parents have their best interest in their mind and they know the best. When adult children start questioning second stage of manipulation ensues by guilt induction followed by dramas various kinds. He is using the same tactics in maintaining status quo by manipulating you. He says he loves you and spends money on you. Ask yourself: Do his words match his actions? Is spending money on the lawfully wedded wife symbolic of love? Love is definitely more than that. Please read the Lets Talk: Communication Deadlock. In your relationship you can’t even talk about your legitimate concerns because you are afraid of being accused of selfishness and name calling that you are egotistic. Is that really love?

      What your father in-law told you, his mother said to me. It is a very common tactic to upset the woman because our modesty taboos proscribe us from talking back. Most of all how do you even tell this to your spouse that his parent(s) is anal and has no boundaries. I learned early on in the marriage “if you are in love and sex is not good it doesn’t matter but if you are not in love and sex is not good it is a big problem.” Next time if you don’t feel like having sex, quote your FIL to your spouse then you don’t have to fake a headache.

      I am adding my personal details here so that you know how common it is. Amu, Simmi, Shanu all have more stories to share. Now the issue is what to do about it? For a change how about being called selfish because no matter what you do you will still be accused of being selfish at some point. You have a greater duty to yourself; if you keep simmering like this you’ll develop bitterness towards life and that is not the purpose of life. You are in a different country so you have no control over what they do with your stuff, so for now let it go. It is just stuff, when you reach there just give it away to a homeless person or donate it and buy new stuff; this could send a strong message.

      There is no set formula or decoction that would rid you of his family’s nasty attitude because it is not about you but them and you have no control over them. I have learned identifying the purpose of one’s life and practicing assertiveness skills help in dealing with dysfunctional people.

      Healing and protecting your self is not only your human right but your sacred duty too. I am guessing you have not yet thought about seeking professional help regarding your situation. Most of all we do not even know how to phrase the problem that “my in-laws make snide remarks and I feel hurt,” so something is wrong with me. Yes, something is definitely wrong with me that I am over whelmed by these psychological attacks may be I too sensitive; I am unable to protect myself and my partner won’t support me. The other common reasons for not seeking help are- it is not that serious, it is very common problem in desi families or only troubled people seek help. The fact is only smart people seek help because they understand they are not able to manage the situation on their own. Speak to your partner about seeking professional counseling. To him this is more of your problem as he is not the one dealing with snide remarks so chances are he’ll be resistant to this idea. If he refuses to come with you, go by yourself. You can also speak to your doctor and ask for referrals to marriage and family therapists for couple’s counseling or just counseling for self.

      Where ever you are I am guessing you have access to more resources than India. Pick up the yellow pages or google for information on local non-profits working with women and children. If you can then offer to volunteer, if not then join the self help groups they offer. There are groups like codependent anonymous, adult children of alcoholic’s anonymous, divorce anonymous, overeater’s anonymous etc. You don’t have to be contemplating divorce or coming from alcoholic family, these support groups are based on 12 step programs that give participants tools to understand their behavior patterns and change their situation.

      Always remember you are not alone, there are many women in the same boat; if we all start speaking up things will change. You don’t have to be ashamed of other’s behavior.

      GGTS is a safe place you can always come here for support.

  26. khamoshi 2 January 7, 2010 at p01 #

    I am going through a devastating emotional turmoil where in once I feel to go back and the other time I refute to be associated with his family any more. The point is I don’t want to loose him as my husband. I sternly believe that he is my husband and would remain so in future. He himself has never caused me any kind of physical or moral harm. I am trying to fight against his greatest weakness of throwing his ears and judgmental capacity under the control of his mom and sisters. Basically its inter caste, inter religion, interstate marriage. We live in a joint household with his mother and two sisters his father died before our marriage. Our marriage from the start was bad. There is too much interference from his mother and sisters. We cannot go out anywhere by ourselves the mother has to accompany us at all times. I have a job and I am responsible for all chores at home. His mother and sisters do not help me with cooking or cleaning. He does not support me when ever I try to talk to him he says his aim in life is to keep his mother and sisters happy. I asked him why he married me. For which he got annoyed and started complaining about me that I am not adjusting with them and everything is wrong with me.

    I just want to get rid of my mom-in-law and sis- in -laws for some period of time so that I can prove to my husband my respect and regard for him which I could not do earlier. That’s the reason I want him to give me a separate house which he is unwilling on the grounds that he is the only son and needs to remain with parents. I don’t know how much I have been able to express myself properly so that you can help me out. I just want to know how to talk or communicate with him so that he just listens to me not to his people. There are many other things which I would like to put in a more organized way.
    My brother is negotiating with my hubby and on the other hand I have asked the church group to intervene only hoping that something will work out in my favor.
    Looking forward to remaining in touch and thanking you very much for your kind help and support.

  27. girlsguidetosurvival December 14, 2009 at p12 #

    It is not that simple. It is tough but not impossible. Not all advice will benefit all people at all times. If you have any suggestions please do make them. I am preparing another draft on living with the Desi in-laws.
    Indian families take good care of killing woman’s sense of self so that she may accept what ever her lot is and serve the family. But that doesn’t mean women take it lying down, they resist as much they can and create their own space even within the most isolating confines.

    I have seen if we stays connected to our core that is with the universal power that created us all then nothing can touch us. Accepting others for who they are and respecting who I am is the remaining part of that corollary. Unless we respect and ourselves we can’t expect others to do it for us. This love and respect has to come from our connection with the divine/universe that created us not from ego. I practiced respecting myself as a creation of the almighty creator only then I could free myself from all the negativity people around me were throwing at me. Been there done that. Took me years to reach here, but here I am.

  28. Pardesi Aurat December 14, 2009 at p12 #

    Yeah but I don’t see how this advice helps a DIL who is living in the same house as her in-laws. “accept them for who they are” would translate into “do what they say” to the typical desi DIL who does not have a strong sense of self and independence. She will just think, “it’s my kismet to get such in-laws so I have to accept it and ‘adjust’”.

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